Commons:Deletion requests/File:Elisabeth Christ.jpg
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File:Elisabeth Christ.jpg[edit]
Author "unknown", date "circa 1918" isn't enough to ascertain the copyright status of this presumably U.S. work, I think (date of creation isn't necessarily date of first publication). COM:PRP? Gestumblindi (talk) 20:59, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Keep COM:PRP requires signicifant doubt, which I don't see presented here. And if we are going to require proof of publication for all PD-US-expired works, get ready to delete millions of files. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 21:34, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- I noticed these images through de:Frederick Trump (probably should have nominated the original image File:Elisabeth Christ & Friedrich Trump.jpg together with this and File:Friedrich Trump.jpg, of which the latter is in use in said article, not in separete deletion requests), and I deliberately didn't nominate other, older images used there such as File:Frederick Trump 1887.jpg, because these are most likely fine. But a 1918 creation date (or 1915, as in the family portrait in Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Frederick Trump) is close enough to 1924 that, given the lack of other information (author, first publication...) I thought we should discuss the case. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. See File:Elisabeth Christ & Friedrich Trump original.jpg. The image was taken in 1902 at Lederle & Flocken company in Dürkheim, Germany, presumably by Max Lederle (Lederle was a known photographer, while I can't find anything on Flocken, and this might not be a person at all). As to Max, here is an obituary of his son Karl (1872-1940) [1], who was also a professional photographer (note that Karl moved to the US in 1890 and could not take this photo). It is reasonable to assume that Max died before 1940s too. So either {{PD-old}} or {{Anonymous-EU}} do apply here. Materialscientist (talk) 22:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Materialscientist: Thanks for researching and uploading that original 1902 picture! I withdraw my deletion request (must be closed by a different admin, though), provided that the description of the affected files is also corrected accordingly. Gestumblindi (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Kept: per discussion. --Strakhov (talk) 17:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
