Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ustaše sawing off the head of a Serb civilian.jpg
File:Ustaše sawing off the head of a Serb civilian.jpg[edit]
Die Verbreitung im Internet von Hinrichtungsbildern ohne Altersbeschränkung (eine welche es ja bei Wikipedia und Wikicommons nicht gibt) ist gesetzeswidrig. Unbeschadet strafrechtlicher Verantwortlichkeit sind Angebote unzulässig, wenn sie grausame oder sonst unmenschliche Gewalttätigkeiten gegen Menschen in einer Art schildern, die das Grausame oder Unmenschliche des Vorgangs in einer die Menschenwürde verletzenden Weise darstellt [ § 4 (1) JMStV - Jugendmedienschutz-Staatsvertrag, Staatsvertrag über den Schutz der Menschenwürde und den Jugendschutz in Rundfunk und Telemedien (Jugendmedienschutz-Staatsvertrag – JMStV)]. Es steht außer Frage, daß die Menschenwürde des dargestellten Enthauptungsopfers schon durch die Darstellung der Enthauptung an sich verletzt wird. Hieran ändert auch die Historizität der Darstellung nichts. Die Darstellung richtet sich sohin gegen die freiheitlich demokratische Grundordnung , Art. 1 GG. Das Gesetz sieht auch keine Verjährung der Menschenwürde vor, insofern diese postmortal weiterbesteht. Sofern Anbieter Angebote, die geeignet sind, die Entwicklung von Kindern oder Jugendlichen zu einer eigenverantwortlichen und gemeinschaftsfähigen Persönlichkeit zu beeinträchtigen, verbreiten oder zugänglich machen, haben sie dafür Sorge zu tragen, dass Kinder oder Jugendliche der betroffenen Altersstufen sie üblicherweise nicht wahrnehmen, § 5 (1) JMStV. Das Bild ist daher zu löschen. Uwe Martens (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Speedy keep: Commons is not censored. --Amitie 10g (talk) 03:59, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: As per above, Commons is not censored, so finding an image distasteful is not in itself a valid reason for deletion. --DAJF (talk) 04:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Idem. — Racconish 📥 06:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: The Commons are not subject to German law. --Chricho (talk) 07:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Media content is considered by the German youth protection laws as harmful to minors if it tends to endanger their process of developing a socially responsible and self-reliant personality [§ 18 (1) JuSchG]. This applies especially to media that contain extremely violent or morally harmful media, as in this case. The supply and distribution of content likely to harm minors and adolescents without age restriction is forbidden and will be punished. If there is no technical possibility to fulfill the German youth protection legislation, e.g. by filtering the IP, the files have to be deleted. Please notice by the way, that I don't have the time to study international youth protection legislation right now!
- -- Uwe Martens (talk) 08:46, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Strong keep, obviously. German law, or indeed Islamic sensitivities or general prudishness of any sort (search for, e.g. "penis"), are not valid deletion criteria. Commons is not censored, and just because you or your group are offended enough to have enacted a law doesn't mean we have to obey or respect it. Unless of course that law is in a legal jurisdiction that covers Florida. Storkk (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok, for those, they think, this is only a German case: It is also a European case, see the following, English and German version:
Act of law 98/560/EC
THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN UNION
Whereas the present recommendation addresses, in particular, issues of protection of minors and of human dignity in relation to audiovisual and information services made available to the public, whatever the means of conveyance (such as broadcasting, proprietary on-line services or services on the Internet);
Annex
INDICATIVE GUIDELINES FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION, AT NATIONAL LEVEL, OF A SELF-REGULATION FRAMEWORK FOR THE PROTECTION OF MINORS AND HUMAN DIGNITY IN ON-LINE AUDIOVISUAL AND INFORMATION SERVICES
2.2.1. Protection of minors
(b) Presentation of legal contents which may harm minors
Objective: where possible, legal content which may harm minors or affect their physical, mental or moral development should be presented in such a way as to provide users with basic information on its potentially harmful effect on minors.
The codes of conduct should therefore address, for example, the issue of basic rules for the businesses providing on-line services concerned and for users and suppliers of content; the rules should set out the conditions under which the supply and distribution of content likely to harm minors should be subject, where possible, to protection measures such as:
- a warning page, visual signal or sound signal,
- descriptive labelling and/or classification of contents,
- systems to check the age of users.
Priority should be given, in this regard, to protection systems applied at the presentation stage to legal content which is clearly likely to be harmful to minors, such as pornography or violence.
Rechtsakt 98/560/EG
DER RAT DER EUROPÄISCHEN UNION
Die vorliegende Empfehlung befaßt sich insbesondere mit der Problematik des Jugendschutzes und des Schutzes der Menschenwürde in audiovisuellen Diensten und Informationsdiensten, die der Öffentlichkeit zugänglich gemacht werden, unabhängig von der Übertragungsart (z. B. Rundsendedienste, anbieterspezifische Online-Dienste oder Internet-Dienste).
Anhang
LEITSÄTZE FÜR DIE SCHAFFUNG VON SELBSTKONTROLLSYSTEMEN DER MITGLIEDSTAATEN FÜR DEN JUGENDSCHUTZ UND DEN SCHUTZ DER MENSCHENWÜRDE IN DEN ONLINE ANGEBOTENEN AUDIOVISUELLEN DIENSTEN UND INFORMATIONSDIENSTEN
2.2.1. Jugendschutz
(b) Darstellung von Inhalten, die zwar legal, aber jugendgefährdend sind
Ziel: Inhalte, die zwar legal, aber jugendgefährdend sind oder die körperliche, geistige oder charakterliche Entwicklung von Jugendlichen beeinträchtigen konnten, sollten - soweit möglich - so dargestellt werden, daß die Benutzer grundlegende Informationen über ihre potentiell jugendgefährdende Wirkung erhalten.
Die Verhaltenskodizes sollten daher beispielsweise die Frage von Grundregeln für die betreffenden Anbieter von Online-Diensten, Benutzer und Inhalteanbieter behandeln. In den Regeln sollte festgelegt werden, unter welchen Bedingungen bei der Bereitstellung und Verbreitung jugendgefährdender Inhalte - soweit dies möglich ist - Schutzmaßnahmen getroffen werden sollten, wie z. B.:
- eine Begrüßungsseite mit einem Warnhinweis, ein Ton- oder Bildsignal;
- eine beschreibende Kennzeichnung und/oder Einstufung der Inhalte;
- Systeme zur Kontrolle des Alters der Benutzer.
Vorrang sollten dabei Schutzsysteme haben, die bei der Ankündigung von Inhalten zur Anwendung kommen, die zwar legal sind, aber eindeutig jugendgefährdend sein können, wie z. B. Pornographie oder Gewaltdarstellungen.
-- Uwe Martens (talk) 15:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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Comment Whatever the case may be in the EU, it doesn't pertain to Florida, which isn't in the EU. If you have problems with German Wikipedia's use of these files, this is not the forum. Please bring your problem to German Wikipedia. Storkk (talk) 17:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)- Comment Yeah, I did this already, but there I get many reproaches and reprisals, that I didn't clarify this here in Wikimedia at first. So everything, what I'm doing, is wrong! It seems, that Wikipedia/-media aren't that open community as they present it on the outside! -- Uwe Martens (talk) 18:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, COM:INUSE. –Be..anyone (talk) 13:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Kept: Per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Enthauptung in China 1901.jpg -- とある白い猫 ちぃ？ 00:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
File:Ustaše sawing off the head of a Serb civilian.jpg[edit]
This image has no publication information except the website it was drawn from, so cannot be US-PD and held on Commons. Peacemaker67 (talk) 02:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the website, at http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/knifed.html "Feel free to download, copy and redistribute." Elliot321 (talk) 15:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete, according to my argumentation of 2015, further website owner of the source given in the vote above is not authorized to grant any license, which country's copyright law ever, as he's not the author of the picture or the book containing the picture (only of the scan itself). -- Uwe Martens (talk) 07:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC)- Comment For additional sources see here, here and here. — Racconish 💬 08:10, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Being PD in Yugoslavia does not mean it is PD in the US. If it is not PD in the US it cannot be on Commons. Peacemaker67 (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. No proof of {{PD-Yugoslavia}}. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
